DBS 2003 Review

Daniel S. Waite, DBS Treasurer

The slides to follow are intended to inform the hearer of the happenings of the Dean Burgon Society's July 2003 Annual  Meeting with minimal comments interspersed.

No deliberate attempt has been made to misrepresent anyone.  If for some reason a quote cited violates, abuses, or misrepresents the context in which it was given please notify this writer.  The name above the statements belong to the one who made it that comment in 2003.  The comments bellow the person named Daniel Waite are comments and thoughts made in 2004 about the previous DBS annual meeting.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
At the bottom of each slide the acronym C.T.T.F.M. appears.

This is taken from II Timothy 2:2 which states: "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same Commit Thou To Faithful Men, who shall be able to teach others also."

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
What is essentially different from the following statements?
"The Bible Contains the Word of God."
"God Did Not Promise To Preserve His Word."

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
It is my opinion that both statements lead one to the same conclusion. That conclusion being:
One cannot know what God has said because no written record exists.

Dr. D. A. Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
The DBS has always maintained a strong position on the King James Bible and its underlying Hebrew and Greek Texts, and has exposed improper and defective Hebrew, Greek, English, and other language texts.

Dr. Denis Gibson
London, Ontario
Instead of trembling at the Word of God the modern day textual critic is trite with the Word of God.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
In today's culture few churches attempt to uphold the absolute standard of Scripture. God's Word is seldom taught correctly nor is it taught thoroughly. You must make every effort must be made to teach God's people God's Word.

Dr. Bob Doom
Ashville, North Carolina
Are we going to turn to scholarship to determine the Canonical Scriptures?

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Scholarship is not the proper remedy nor is it the proper prescription for the dilemmas faced by man. The genuine cure for mankind is to stop wresting the Scripture and start resting in the Scripture. This can never be achieved by poking holes in it.

Dr. Gary La More
Toronto, Ontario
I am fearful of education. Because . . . the Devil start[ed] out under the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Like Paul commanded Timothy, the local church must commit the things they have learned to faithful men so that they may teach others also. Biblical education takes place where the Bible is exalted. If the church is to survive it must feed the sheep themselves. And not totally rely on others.

Dr. Michael Bates
Newington, Connecticut
Truth is not established by consensus even the consensus of good men. Truth is established by Divine Mandate. Truth is established on the basis of the virtue of the Word of God itself.

Dr. H. D. Williams
Cleveland, Georgia
The opposite of integrity is corruption. Corruption is like rust. It spreads and destroys unless measures are instituted to control it.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Certain physical injuries hamper blood flow which in some cases invite gangrene. Unfortunately, spiritual injuries hamper spiritual blood flow as well which in some cases lead to spiritual gangrene. Today's church has been plagued with a severe case of gangrene and does not even know it.

Dr. Allen Johnson
Hanes City, Florida
Will you stand for purity or will you settle for popularity? Will you stand for truth or will you settle for tradition? Will you be a contending saint or a compromising spy? I hope you will be a Joshua and fight for the "Promised Land" of Textual Purity [in any language].

Dr. D. A. Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
We agree with much of their Fundamentalism but they are off on their Bibliology.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
The present hour demonstrates a gradual attempt to reconstruct the once demolished philosophical bridge between lower criticism and higher criticism.

The scholars who once refuted higher criticism are know secretly romancing it by their bold claims that God did not preserve His Word

EBS Student - '75 BBC Grad
New Britain, Connecticut
I have seen so much that is not right with the Septuagent, and yet it is the manuscript that so many of these modern text people go to, to correct the Hebrew

Dr. Robert Barnett
Grayling, Michigan
Liberals come along and just reverse everything they put down on paper [and] take a position an hundred-eighty degrees contrary to it.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
A doctrinal statement or a creed are meaningless unless supported by a God's Word. If one does not have God's Word the creed cannot be deemed trustworthy and consequently man is set a drift at sea without a rudder or sail. Denial of verbal preservation is nothing more than a form of existentialism.

Dr. Bob Doom
Asheville, North Carolina
Three problems
Who the God of the Bible really is?
What is the Gospel [and] what is the Good Book?
Are we going to wait for papa to tell us what the canon is?

Pastor Roy Magnuson
Taylors, South Carolina
Historical revisionism is a great plight across this land, not just in academia in the public schools but I am afraid it has also infiltrated in the religious circles for a long time.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Loyalty, to anything other than the preserved Word of God, though admirable can be detrimental.

Dr. Don Jasmin
West Branch, Michigan
The greatest problem we have in the Bible Text issue is the problem of neutralism.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
By being so bold as not to take a position on an issue of such magnitude of Bible preservation is effectively yielding to the stipulations of the modernists of days gone by.

Pastor David Hollowood
New Holland, Pennsylvania
Modernism is a parasite which draws such vitality as it possesses from the dogmas which it denies.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
If the Critical Text people were to restore God's Word how would they know it?

Mr. Douglas Nielsen
Shoreview, Minnesota
I have been misled and lied to by scholars.

Dr. Denis Gibson
London, Ontario
Is it not obvious that they do not really believe God has been able to preserve His Word, as He promised? Is it no wonder, that many "evangelical" pulpits are filled by men who have little regard for the "one jot or one tittle" of Scripture.

Dr. David Brown
Oak Creek, Wisconsin
The Roman Catholic Church kept Europe in the Dark Ages by hindering the translation and distribution of the Bible in the language of the people. They put the priesthood between the Bible and the people.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Unfortunately it appears as though today's Modern Fundamentalist or Fundamoderns are doing much more detriment than the Roman Church historically did. The Roman Church new the power of God's Word but the Fundamoderns deny God's Word has any power because they teach it has been destroyed.

Dr. Bob Doom
Asheville, North Carolina
The most terrible thing about deception is you do not realize it is going on.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
Scripturally, Christ recognized the preserved word of the Hebrew Old Testament [in] Matthew 4:4, and affirmed the inspiration and preservation of the consonants and vowel points in Matthew 5:18.

Dr. Don Jasmin
West Branch, Michigan
The truth of verbal preservation is a divinely revealed eternal truth that is part of the faith once delivered to the saints.

Pastor Charles Griggs
|Swanno, North Carolina
Far higher is the fact that the Bible is a Spiritual Book. We must be careful that we do not try to over simplify or over complicate the Words of God; the Bible is a Spiritual Book.

Dr. Robert Barnett
Grayling, Michigan
We worship the Word of God Incarnate not the Word of God Inscripturated. But we only know Him through faith in His Word.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
God's Word must be read and studied. The Fundamodernist does not have God's Word-consequently any creed or doctrinal statement that they embrace is effectively meaningless. They have philosophically merged with Harvard and Princeton.

Dr. Gary La More
Toronto, Ontario
When it comes to translation, (and I think you understand this,) we can not take our King James Bible and translate it into another foreign language. That will not work; that is not how it is done. That is not how our King James translators did it. They went back to the proper Hebrew text of the Old Testament and translated out of those proper texts; and this has to be done in the Spanish world.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Local nationals must compile reliable lexicons, so that, proper translation can take place from proper original texts. It is the responsibility of the local church to train and educate.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
Inspiration is the process whereby the Holy Spirit led the writers of Scripture to record accurately His very words; the product of this process was the inspired original.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
GRAPHE always refers to the autographical Scripture; whereas, GRAMMA sometimes refers to the non-canonical literature.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
If THEOPNEUSTOS is translated as an attributive adjective, [an attributive adjective modifies the noun with which it is associated, whereas a predicate adjective asserts something about the noun] then "is" would come after THEOPNEUSTOS and be rendered "every God inspired Scripture is profitable," suggesting that some Scripture might not be inspired.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
Some Bible groups and so on want to talk about Scripture and use [the] word THEOPNEUSTOS or inspiration in a non-technical way and then they talk about an inspired King James, [or a non-English Bible] like Ruckman does, they are wrong at that point because here they are trying to look at a verse that is used in a very technical way with a very technical word and then they use this technical word in a non-technical way and they say translations can be inspired just as the original. And to hold that position, which would be a Ruckman position and others as well, is just as bad as saying every Scripture inspired.

Dr. H. D. Williams
Cleveland, Georgia
It is well known that salt was used in the Old Testament times to purify the skin of babies (Ezekiel 16:4). Implicitly salt represents the pure words of God (Psalm 12:6) that purify.

Pastor David Hollowood
New Holland, Pennsylvania
We fail to go after the issues that are going to cut us off at the knees, that are going to destroy us.

Dr. Gary La More
Toronto, Ontario
If you can not stand with the King James Bible, then you are not a Fundamentalist.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
The Fundamodernist has seceded from the Fundamentalist camp when they fired the first shot by bold denial of the of Bible preservation.

Dr. H. D. Williams
Cleveland, Georgia
In these last days there is a concerted effort to usurp the belief in preservation of the Words of Scripture based on the assumption by rationalists that most of God's Words in the manuscripts were corrupted, intentionally and unintentionally.

Dr. H. D. Williams
Cleveland, Georgia
The "scholars" base their attack on the preserved Words of God using one of the following options.

1. God's Words have not been preserved.
2. Textual scholars need to do a lot of restoring, conjecturing and editing of God's Words, because they have not been perfectly preserved.
3. Many of God's Words were lost for approximately 1,500 years and rediscovered fortuitously by researchers. The manuscripts rediscovered are "the oldest and best."
4. There is no "clear" statement by Scripture about how the Words were preserved.

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
Since the fundamondernist does not believe in Bible preservation, then any creed or doctrinal statement is meaningless in its affirmation. Whether the statement is 9.6 words, 96, words, 960 words or 9,600 words. Without an absolute standard, doctrine can not be established.

Dr. Joel Grassi
New Britain, Connecticut
Many of the arguments that he [an elder at the Jehovah Witness Kingdom Hall] gave me are arguments that Fundamentalist use against the Textus Receptus and against the King James Bible and I wondered if I was [sic] talking with a Jehovah Witness or if I was [sic] talking with a popular Fundamentalist.

Dr. Don Jasmin
West Branch, Michigan
The battle for the preserved Word is facing its greatest test primarily not by unbelieving apostates from without but by undefending affirmers from within.

Dr. Denis Gibson
London, Ontario
He [Robert L. Auden] too says the Hebrew is unclear, . . . but then he boldly affirms what it certainly must mean.

Dr. Thomas Stouse
Newington, Connecticut
The Lord God created Adam and gave him a working vocabulary and capability for language.

Dr. Michael Bates
Newington, Connecticut
I contend that the average pastor, who is willing to study the matters involved in this issue and study hard, can understand what is at stake . [He] in turn can explain these matters to Spirit indwelt men and women of God who sit in the pews of local bible-believing churches.

EBS Student - '75 BBC Grad
New Britain, Connecticut
I started comparing what I was translating in Isaiah forty with the Septuagant and I was astounded! Talk about adding and subtracting! You just take the one chapter and you would be amazed at the additions and subtractions found in the Septuagant with no apparent reason.

Dr. Michael Bates
Newington, Connecticut
I submit to you that pastors and church people can understand these issues and they must understand these issues; and I have witnessed this first hand.

Dr. Thomas Strouse
Newington, Connecticut
Samuel Gipp argued at length that individuals had to learn English in order to be saved. That is pure Ruckmanism and you need to realize that Samuel Gipp is a Ruckmanite. Some people are citing him and he is not really in our camp. So we need to realize that.

Dr. Bob Doom
Asheville, North Carolina
The para-church organizations-if they rightly function-are the handmaids of the churches. In other words, we come to assist not to dictate, we come [to] help and not to take any authority over a local church.

Dr. Michael Bates
Newington, Connecticut
It is my contention that this matter of the bible issue that we are talking about is a local church matter and the local church has not only a vested interest in this matter, but has also a divinely mandated leading role to play both in its articulation and its defense.

Pastor Charles Griggs
Swannano, North Carolina
People are being starved of the Word of God. The Word of God is depleted and changed in this version [NKJV].

Pastor Charles Nichols
Ramsey, Minnesota
I believe it is one of the real issues of the day that we need to stand firmly on. I believe it is an issue that needs some division on. If people do not believe the Word of God, [then] that is a big enough reason for me to divide from them!

Dr. Gary La More
Toronto, Ontario
My concern is that will our children have a Bible.

Dr. Russell Denis, Jr.
Greenwood, Indiana
In my mind I cannot fathom how somebody cannot be interested in the Word of God. It is like a mechanic who works for Ford and he is not interested in engines. Yet, that is his job and he really does not believe the engine manual ...The Bible is the Word of God and we need to know why!

Daniel Waite
Collingswood, New Jersey
What is essentially different from the following statements?
"The Bible Contains the Word of God."
"God Did Not Promise To Preserve His Word."

Psalm 119:73-80
Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word. I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me. Let, I pray thee, thy merciful kindness be for my comfort, according to thy word unto thy servant. Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight. Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts. Let those that fear thee turn unto me, and those that have known thy testimonies. Let my heart be sound in thy statutes; that I be not ashamed.